Why can you not turn off EE and OT? Why? -- James. -----Original Message----- From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu [mailto:piclist-bounces@mit.edu] On Behalf Of Ken Del Greco Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 09:37 To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. Subject: RE: [EE] Un-subscribbling so Russell can play all he wants > There are other forums suitable for proselytizing the religion of science. > Denigrating the PICLIST into such a forum has resulted in any substantive > PIC/microcontroller discussion to migrate to the Microchip forum. It's one > of the reasons why I don't participate too much anymore. It's one of the > reasons Bob has chosen to leave. > > Scott Scott summerized it perfectly. I've been lurking on this list for a long time. I can't believe my first post is going to be about this subject. But I have to agree 100% with Bob. I don't want to attack Russell personally because there's plenty of blame to go around. But he does seem to have hijacked this list and turned it into a personal blog. I can filter [OT], and I do. I'd like to not have to filter [EE] because I enjoy RELEVANT engineering discussions as much as the next guy. However, these days I'm getting swamped with the pseudo-science/astronomy/global-warming stuff, which would be great if this was a pseudo-science/astronomy/global-warming list. But unfortunately, that's just the tip of the iceberg. The worst part is that it gets even less relevant from there! You can argue all you want about the semantics of what "everything engineering" means on the PIClist. But applying just a simple dose of common sense should imply "everything engineering" as it applies to PIC's (even remotely). FET questions? Yeah, sure. Manhattan style construction? Sounds good. Connector recommendations? No problem. But sun spots, global warming, personal nuclear reactors? Argh. Why can't this list stay PIC related and with engineering topics related to PIC's? It doesn't seem too far fetched of a notion to me. I mean, why else are people here? There are 1000's of other lists out there to discuss all the other topics that get posted here on a regular basis. I know it's not realistic to bring the PIClist back to its roots. That's been demonstrated many times over the years. But James, at the very least, could you create a tag like [PRE] (PIC related engineering)? Then at least, those of us that are subscribed to this list for PIC reasons can start enjoying it again instead of having to wade though 70% of the junk that's posted these days. And before you say it - no, I don't want to take your job from you. I really do appreciate what you, Josh and others do to keep this list going. I know it's a lot of work and a relatively thankless job. And most of us deep down do recognize it's not easy keeping the civility here. But I've seen many good people leave this list over the years and it's virtually always because the S/N ratio has dropped so much over time. Having Bob (along with dozens of other top-notch people) leave this list has been a great loss. Every time one of the "stars" of the list leaves, this same issue of off-topic posting gets rehashed again. Yeah, things might get better for a week or two, but then it's back to its old ways. Simply enforcing a few common sense rules to bring back the charter of the PIClist would do wonders for my sanity (and I suspect a lot of others here). OK, back to lurking and waiting for the next PIC related nugget to surface. :) Ken _________________________________________________________________ Pack up or back up-use SkyDrive to transfer files or keep extra copies. Learn how. hthttp://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refres h_skydrive_packup_042008 -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist