> I second the motion. Of course you do. Never in doubt. The idea of proper scientific discussion on a scientific subject that is largely being treated elsewhere by media circus is abhorrent to some. I thought about saying " ... to some of the circus clowns." but that would be unfair. You have ongoingly shown that you are an intelligent person and capable of complex and rational thought. Why the blind spot for one area of scientific endeavour and *apparent* shilling to the media circus is puzzling. And why reasonable discussion on a vexed subject is not felt permissible is also puzzling. The treatment of this subject comes exceeding close to the "Where they are burning books, soon they will be burning men" of another era. Already we have the (stupid) label "Global warming denier" and people's careers are damaged if they don't follow the party line. Big financial interests are undeniably at work. Saving the planet can be a very profitable business if you sing the right tune. As I said: What other fully & truly scientifically TREATABLE subject when truly and fully scientifically TREATED is disallowed for discussion here? LOOK at the nature of the articles/papers and the science involved. It is always possible to take ANY scientific subject and arbitrarily deem it untalkable about. This may almost (almost) be acceptable if the treatment is non scientific and not 'an truth' [tm] (ie mishandling science), but when the content is aiming, with the best abilities of the informed and competent proponents, to deal with the subject scientifically then hopefully we haven't fallen to that level yet. But, maybe we have. Note that this is simply a request for rational and reasonable treatment of a rational and reasonable and often very badly treated subject. Let the book burning commence / continue ? Russell -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist