>> EP mode was VERY common, and pretty much universally compatible. >> It had >> a recording time of 3X SP, so a 120 tape would record 6 hours, a >> 160, 8 >> hours. I've also heard of 10 hour tapes, but I felt that 160s were >> already pushing tape thinness a little far. We've got something like 4 VHS VCRs in our home, all recording "stuff" in 3x mode (what you call EP and some of the recorders call SLP. Six hours per tape.) Tapes move "ok" between machines (some loss of quality; especially: "audio sounds odd.") We don't save anything; all those machines are for time-shifting. Presumably, if "quality" were an issue, we wouldn't need 4 VCRs; no tape technology is capable of improving the quality of much of American Television! (I won't speak for other countries.) A beta recorder with 2H recording capability would never have been a starter (the TIVO upgraded with a 300GB drive is nice, though!) (Of course, by the time I bought my first VCR, Beta was pretty much gone. It's all my wife's fault.) So Beta had higher "quality", but VHS had longer record time and lower prices. Seems like there's room for a lot of argument on which was "better engineered." BillW -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist