> Yup.. Neopets is another VW that is taking real dollars > for imaginary goods. > But this is nothing new really, religions have been doing > the same > since the first priest dined on a sacrifice. I find that sort of comment offensive and inappropriate, NOT because I am unable or unwilling to debate it or even because I totally disagree with it, but because I am not ALLOWED to debate it or discuss it or make comment on it in this forum to a useful extent and because any attempt to do so is liable to be suddenly cut off, quite probably (entirely coincidentally)(Murphy is good at that) at a place that does not do merit to the counter comment. The comment contains a truckload of baggage which spills far outside the basic comment. The baggage is more worth discussing than the basic assertion. SciFact & FYI :-) : If one wanted a well documented example of the formalisation and openness of priestly income being dependant on sacrifice and religious endowment then the Old Testament of the Christian Bible provides an excellent one. The fact that not only could the priests depend on offerings but that they HAD to is laid out in detail. The priests and supporting populace were not entitled to own land outside the allotment which was theirs by right. Separation of church and state at work :-). After a fashion. Those who brought sacrifices were entirely clear of how they were to be used. Some were for priestly consumption and some weren't. There were also things that the priests weren't allowed to do, and there are documented examples of things being done wrong and noted appropriately. The sons of Eli, Samuel's erstwhile mentor, (Eli, not the sons) were not only eating food that was forbidden to anyone but were also using their positions of power and authority to impress and seduce young women who came to bring offerings. So overall the OT provides an excellent example of structure, appropriate use and abuse of power and position. Lessons to learn for some modern practitioners of religion :-) :-(. So this in general lends general weight to what you said. But fails to address the sub-text that you naughtily snuck in as a bonus. That's best left for other forae, often finalised at dawn, choose your weapons, seconds will call, ... . :-) Russell -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist