RealBasic can be had for free in the Linux version and it is pretty  
handy for many things.
http://realbasic.com/
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> On Mar 28, 2008, at 7:30 PM, Dr Skip wrote:
> Ah, well Java might be good, but all I've seen are interpreted apps  
> (via the
> JVM). I'll admit I don't know the whole 'cup' of Java ;) though...
>
> I also am not familiar with a lot of robust, well featured, BASICs  
> that
> generate single executables, are not interpreted, and are cross  
> platform. Plus,
> Basic, depending on the dialect, tends to allow anything in the way of
> programming and isn't object oriented. I suspect OO is still the  
> big thing,
> isn't it?
>
> As this is his first serious programming learnin' (he's a real  
> beginner with
> Perl and Basic so far, but he needs to focus on one thing and  
> decide which that
> will be), something with constraints that might keep his head in  
> the right
> direction would be preferable. Otherwise I'd bet "GOTO" will creep  
> into the
> code somewhere... ;) And "5 yrs in BASIC programming" isn't what it  
> used to be
> on the resume! ;)
>
> 10 yrs ago I would have bet on Perl, but while it's really cool and  
> useful, it
> is limited. A gui and open compiler might have changed that, and  
> it's not the
> easiest to get good at. Java might be good, but what about development
> environments? From what I've seen, a good graphical programming  
> environment
> lets the beginner start quickly, and if the language is logical and  
> reasonable
> underneath, they gradually move to an editor to code. Insulating  
> the app from
> the gui seems to be important. With C, that's impossible. VB or  
> Delphi do a
> good job. I don't know about Java. I also haven't seen many big  
> apps, more like
> applets. It makes me wonder how big one can go there.
>
>
>
> William "Chops" Westfield wrote:
>> On Mar 28, 2008, at 3:19 PM, Dr Skip wrote:
>>
>> I didn't see Java on either your "maybe" or "reject" list?
>>
>> Alas, writing GUI apps seems to be more about familiarizing yourself
>> with a set of libraries (or "classes") than mastering the language
>> itself.
>>
>> You didn't mention Basic-like languages other than VB: RealBasic for
>> instance (not free, but not too expensive, either...)
>>
>> BillW
>>
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