I think you meant IYHO > 1) They need to ... :-) ? > But at the end of the day each present significant > limitations in their > ability to provide wide scale power in a variety of > different situations. Yes. > Sometimes the sun don't shine, the wind don't blow, and > the water don't > flow. Use it where it's appropriate. Yes. > But nuclear needs to be a part of the mix. No. Nuclear COULD be a part of the mix. But it doesn't have to be. It has convenient attributes, but it's not a necessity. The others are renewables but have peaky to very peaky characteristics. Direct solar doesn't do well at night :-). It's statistical performance by day is good enough to plan by. Wind (indirect solar) is peaky and energy density is variable. You build it in high energy density areas first. Some countries (Scandinavia?) are building 'farms' offshore for lower eco complaints and a more constant wind pattern. Nobody seems to have mentioned wave power here lately, or tidal basins. Thought exercise. Consider the largest ocean harbour you know. Consider how much energy it would take to pump it down several metres when full in 6 hours. And how much to then fill it by about the same amount in the next 6 hours. Start getting ideas. Wave power is a hard master - but the energies available are immense. Thought exercise. Hinge two VERY large barges together. Load them to the gunnels. Moor them in a wave line so they happily hinge to and fro as waves pass by. Now consider how much energy it would take to make the large and loaded barges do the same thing in the absence of waves or water. Start getting ideas. (Gargoyle wave contouring raft) [IEEE: heaving and pitching bodies, cavity resonators, wave focusing, pressure devices surging devices, paddles, outriggers.] There are bidirectional hydro systems now that pump water into storage basins. The overall efficiencies are reasonable if not stunning. Vanadium Redox batteries promise to allow utterly immense battery systems to be implemented in future. Not up to pumped hydro size. A hydro scheme used as a load leveller for a wind + sun + hydro system can greatly extend the duration that the water reserve can be useful over in dry periods. And the wind and solar can reverse pump the solar system if so designed. The dread hydrogen could be used as a load leveller with wind and sun using electrolysis and either thermal combustion or fuel cells. Scale probably not nice for fuel cells. Not yet anyway. Ocean thermal (OTEC) has promise. It works. Probably poor cost effectiveness so far. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_thermal_energy_conversion Hawaiian land based !!!!!!!! trial OTEC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:OTEC_in_Hawaii.jpg Quite a few of these schemes, and various others that are available, could be expensive. But, until the TRUE cost of nuclear is used in calculations, it stops marginal ones being considered. Even if nuclear stations are not being built it acts as "dog in the manger" to other prospective solutions through its offer of alleged cheap, or not too too dear, power. Thought exercise: Price insurance in the genuine free market for nuclear power generation without any government intervention whatsoever. Go fishing. Russell -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist