Re "Shell shock" for veterans or current service people or those involved with rocketry or explosives. Liable to be of enough interest to a few here to be worth posting. Also of interest to terminally infected engineers in general. People at Mojave Spaceport were diescussing having carried out mukltiple rocket firings in one day recently. Up to 400 in once case. The great Henry Spencer said: On Fri, 21 Mar 2008, Ben Brockert wrote: > > >I fired a rocket engine over 400 times today, and am a > > bit shell shocked. > > What, you weren't wearing hearing protection? :-) > > I was, but hearing protection or not everything still > jitters. A note of caution here, guys: this is not something to take lightly. Quite by coincidence, I was just reading an article that I'd meant to mention here, although in connection with explosions rather than noise. In the 25 Jan 2008 issue of Science (yes, I'm a bit behind on reading), page 406: "Shell Shock Revisited: solving the puzzle of blast trauma". There is increasingly strong evidence that exposure to the blast wave from an explosion can cause significant, long-lasting brain injury even in people who show no obvious physical wounds. Precisely how that happens is still somewhat unclear, but EEGs and brain scans have now documented the injuries beyond serious doubt. "Shell shock" is real, it's nasty, and it often doesn't go away. Danger signs are having been unconscious or dazed from the blast, difficulty remembering events just before it, and development soon after of headaches and impaired reaction time and concentration. Ongoing symptoms can include those plus insomnia, vertigo, and memory problems. This one isn't just some anti-war alarmism; the US military is taking it very seriously. The field medics in Iraq and Afghanistan now check soldiers who've been in a blast for brain-injury symptoms, and the VA is doing brain-injury screening on *all* Iraq/Afghanistan veterans who come to its hospitals for anything. (The sticky question of such injuries from earlier wars hasn't yet been addressed seriously.) Current estimates are that 10-20% (!) of all troops returning from Iraq/Afghanistan have taken some degree of brain injury. R&D effort has been stepped up sharply, in hopes of developing better tests, better treatment, and hopefully better protection against it. Henry Spencer henry@zoo.utoronto.ca (henry@spsystems.net) ________________________ And then: On Sat, 22 Mar 2008, David Weinshenker wrote: > > Quite by coincidence, I was just reading an article that > > I'd meant to > > mention here, although in connection with explosions > > rather than noise. > > ... > > Was there anything that would lead to useful on > correlating danger > levels between explosion overpressures and rocket sound > pressure levels? No, this piece was solely on explosion-caused trauma, which is obviously itself of some relevance to experimental rocketry -- which is why I'd been meaning to post something about it. Ben's informal reference to "shell shock" just made me think of it. On the other hand, if a single strong shock wave can cause injury, it's not unthinkable that prolonged exposure to milder pressure waves could... > For that matter, is there any quantitative data available > for blast > trauma thresholds yet? How much of an idea do they have > about what level > of blast wave pressure is involved to produce the sort of > injuries in > question? This piece didn't go into a lot of detail, but my guess would be that nobody has good numerical data yet. They're just begun experimental work on animals to try to establish the underlying mechanism, which would tell them which variables are important. (One suggested mechanism was analogous to car-collision whiplash, but preliminary indications from the first animal tests are that restraining head motion doesn't help. The major alternative theory right now is that the shock wave propagates up the major blood vessels from the torso, which would help explain why the symptoms suggest injury to *interior* regions of the brain, whereas the usual whiplash injuries tend to hit the outer layers.) Henry Spencer henry@zoo.utoronto.ca (henry@spsystems.net) -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist