Apptech wrote:
>> However, yes, not only christianity but any religion 
>> implies the
>> existence of totalitarism.
>>     
>
> I find that conclusion extremely strange.
> I could argue that as a moot in a debate, but I'd be aware 
> that it was a wholly illogical point even as I did so. The 
> two can go together, but there is no reason that it has to 
> be so. Also, putting forward the argument indicates the 
> implicit assumption that religion is necessarily baed on 
> false premises. That may (or may not) be true, but having it 
> as an unconscoius (or unconscious) assumption to one's point 
> rather spoils argument from a logical basis.
>
>   
>> And the history shows that religion was the right hand of 
>> the leaders
>> in the comunist countries.
>>     
>
> Has happened. Certainly wasn't always the case. And in cases 
> where it was the case it did not involve, without exception, 
> all religion, or even all Christianity. For example, in 
> Apartheid South Africa or in Nazi Germany the State had the 
> support of some of the Christian Church. So what? It also 
> dod not have the support of all of the church. People are 
> people and will do what they do, regardless of the truth of 
> God. In the above examples start with eg Huddlestone and 
> Bonhoffer. At a country wide level start with eg Albania and 
> Cambodia.
>
>   
>> And is still the right hand of the leaders
>> in all democratic countries.
>>     
>
> One risks a circular argument here :-).
> *IF* one is arguing for the merit of democracy and *IF* one 
> assumes that all that is good and pure and beautiful and 
> apple pie and motherhood will hie hither to the hand of the 
> rulers thereof, then the fact that religion is an 
> accoutrment to such is arguably not an argument FOR it being 
> a henchman of totalitarianism, but against. If however you 
> would argue that democracy is dark and arcane then your 
> argument may carry more weight.
>
> :-)
>
>
>
>         Russell 
>
>   
You missed my comment about all religion eventually being outlawed as a 
form of mental illness...?
You're slipping, young man...

--Bob A
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