On Mar 17, 2008, at 11:31 AM, Vitaliy wrote: > Gerhard Fiedler wrote: >>> I believe that in a majority of cases, the student's poor >>> performance is >>> the >>> school system's fault. >> >> Isn't that a serious disgression from your underlying premise of that >> everybody does what is best for him? The current schools definitely >> not >> /hinder/ any development. > > The public school system here in the US definitely /hinders/ > development. > Incompetent/dangerous teachers, disruptive students who can't be > expelled, > outdated cirriculums, old books, crowded classrooms.. the > environment is not > conducive to learning. Old books? Where my brother in law teaches, they have to keep the books in the classroom (student's can't take them home, there aren't enough), let alone how old they are. And he teaches in a fairly well-off district. Meanwhile, large numbers of ADMINISTRATORS of the school district (not just a few) all make $100,000 or more U.S. per year. Far more, usually -- depending on rank and get this... their education level... automatic raises if you went to graduate school or have a PhD are commonplace in school districts, supposedly a way to have better educated TEACHERS, but... it applies to the ADMINISTRATORS too. Greed does more to hurt U.S. schools than any of the items you mentioned. Who wouldn't take that deal? If I could GUARANTEE myself a raise in regular business by getting a higher education degree, no competition, no proving I learned something interesting/useful to my employer, no higher responsibility or more work... just walk in and hand in a form that I finished another degree and get money for it...? I'd take that deal too... Of course, paying for such shenanigans as a taxpayer has me a bit alarmed at what is really going on over there in that giant new administration building with better fixtures than even the richest businesses in the area, filled with PhD Ed type folks. (It was aptly nicknamed the "Taj Mahal" long before it was completed years ago.) Actually since that's not my taxation district, I'll share what mine does... similar administration salaries, and they send me a rediculous huge multi-color glossy "catalog" of all the "wonderful things" they're doing in the district every year. All information that's already in the public record at any library, printed in normal black and white. Pretty pictures of tons of extracurricular activites, and a couple stock photos of some kids sitting in a classroom or two. I'm not quite sure what this waste of money is supposed to accomplish, since they get my taxes either way... and if they think that wasting that money and then flaunting it in my home mailbox is going to make me think twice about voting for vouchers and throwing their egotistical asses out on the street-corner in order to try ANYTHING different than them, they're wrong. First opportunity to vote against them, I'm there... BECAUSE of the glossy "District Update". Spend the money on the kids, you idiots! Oh wait, I'm sorry -- I forgot that their PR people (also far over $100K a year) told me on the news that they're "making progress" and raised test scores by a couple of percentage points while the district is still behind the rest of the world by a large margin in math and science scores. It's the RELATIVE increase of 2% that means they DESERVE those big salaries, bigger than all but the highest bosses in a VERY large business... right? I think they mentioned it in the glossy book. (Hell, I'd at least burn the thing in my wood stove, if they didn't print it on glossy, colored paper. Newsprint would be fine, thanks.) The whole system is screwed... all the way up the administration chain. The administrators in the public lower-level schools are just "in training" for moving to a public University, $250K-$350K is considered LOW for the top people, and they can hike tuition every year, while also raising my taxes, while signing multi-million dollar deals for advertisers to pay to be on the football team's TV ads, and even bigger deals with big Pharma and others to build them research labs and do all their work for them. Yep... Watching from here, U.S. public education administration is completely and utterly corrupt and out of control. I can't imagine having kids and putting them through that mess. -- Nate Duehr nate@natetech.com -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist