http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?ModuleNo=43120&doy=8m3 http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=43121&DOY=8m3 very nice connectors, almost as tough as XLR but smaller and nice high core counts, often seen on CB radio gear. Can anyone put any kind of part number to theese or suggest suppliers other than maplin? -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist