> > On Mar 1, 2008, at 9:53 AM, Bob Axtell wrote: > > AppTech said: >>> I believe that energy costs will actually fall over time >>> >> >> I do too. But I also believe that we may have to wait until >> Lunar Helium 3 fusion power comes on line in a widespread >> manner for this to happen. >> >> "Power so cheap it won't need to be metered". >> >> "It is not too much to expect that our children will enjoy >> in their homes electrical energy too cheap to meter, will >> know of great periodic regional famines in the world only as >> matters of history, will travel effortlessly over the seas >> and under them and through the air with a minimum of danger >> and at great speeds, and will experience a lifespan far >> longer than ours as disease yields and man comes to >> understand what causes him to age." >> Lewis L. Strauss >> Speech to the National Association of Science Writers, New >> York City September 16th, 1954. >> >> >> > Yes. This quote was made in a 3-page advertisement in Scientific > American in > 1955. I carried it with me for years. Alas I finally lost it. and I > have > been very > suspicious of Scientific American ever since... > > The truth is that nuclear power is the MOST costly of all power > generation methods. > The US government has never admitted the true costs, because it would > probably > cause a taxpayer revolt. The original purpose of nuclear power was to > provide a > reliable source of plutonium from spent fuel rods. Where do you think > the USA _GOT_ > its warheads? > > After 9/11, the price went up dramatically. Now, no airplane is > allowed > to overfly a > nuke plant. Seriously armed guards are EVERYWHERE. Visitors must > have prior > permission to even pickup a worker's paycheck. Unused radioactive > material is > stored ONSITE, an open invitation to evil-doers of all flavors. It > goes > on and on. > > But solar concentration plants have problems too. The sun doesn't > shine > at night, so > energy must be shared between different generation methods, by > moving it > over the > power grid. But here in the USA, our "power grid" is a joke; it is > overloaded now, so > no new power can move over it. Third-world countries have better power > grids than > we have. One workable idea is to drop the power grid entirely, and > pipeline hydrogen > gas (cracked by excess electricity) between cites, and burn it at > night > (as well as sell it > to hydrogen-powered cars). But such planning takes competent political > oversight, and > here in the colonies, our politicians are much too stupid for the > task. > > Here's the vision of a few Arizona engineers: > > 1. Establish a huge solar concentrator, with a 10-mile area of > sunlight > concentrators. > Several turbine plants would generate electricity but only to crack > water into hydrogen > and oxygen immediately. The hydrogen will be pipelined to various > generating plants in > the USA, who will store the H2 then generate electricity locally on a > 24/hr basis; in > essence, the hydrogen would replace natural gas in the burners, > generating no carbon > dioxide. > > 2. The hydrogen will also be delivered to hydrogen "filling stations" > across the USA > for use in clean-burning cars and trucks. Hydrogen burns with 0 (ZERO) > smog emissions > and creates just WATER as a waste product. No more adding CO2 to the > atmosphere. > > 3. Oxygen can be sold to vendors who will further clean it to be used > in commercial > or medical processes. > > A plant of this size can supply the needs of the entire USA from one > site. No new nukes, > no use of petroleum to generate electricity anymore. The headaches of > the past are ended. > > If we don't do this, Mexico will. > > --Bob A And what is wrong with that ? Hooray ! What is the cost breakdown for this scheme ? What are the dangers ? Any ? cc -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist