>
> On Feb 29, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Apptech wrote:
>
>>> But I am one of a few persons spitting against a
>>> hurricane, and its
>>> pretty obvious that nuclear will win in the
>>> end.
>
> There are many people spitting against the hurricane,
> rightly or wrongly.
>
>> Trot out the solar solution. Where does it go ? How much
>> does it
>> cost ? How does it fit in with the existing infrastructure
>> ?  I am
>> all for it if it is cost competitive.  If it is as cheap
>> as nuclear
>> to implement, let's rock and roll.
>
> The difficulty is comparing the two.
> Firstly let both bear their own regulatory and management
> costs. If it costs more then it pays more. Nuclear is fairly
> solidly saddled with costs in that area but it is fair for
> it to pay providing such costs are justified. Whether they
> are justified depends on whether the zealot who is trying to
> convince you is hugging a tree or glows in the dark.
>
> Next add the true costs of any indemnities offered against
> prosecution or liability. These are easily priced by
> estimating what price the market insurers would charge for
> them. if no insurers would front up at any cost it's not a
> viable industry - or so the market forces people would tell
> me. Why wouldn't I choose to believe them in this case ?
>
> Next add the true cost of greenfielding the site when the
> economic lifetime is over. Assuming that a site has an
> economic lifetime for some reason or other. Greenfielding
> includes the true costs (as if they were carried out by free
> market of black fielding some other yuccy location and
> keeping it securely that way until it turns green all by
> itself or itself can be greenfielded.
>
> Next add any costs for extras such as requisite security for
> sites or products or whatever.
>
> You can allow a positive contribution for outputs other than
> power per se as long as the prices are paid by fully non
> subsidised customers. To give an example, if you can sell
> Plutonium to a military body that is fully self funding and
> doesn't depend on taxpayer support then you have a valid
> sale. [[Sales to the French government, at a minimum, are
> liable to fail this test alone rather handsomely]].
>
> Now add the cost of fuel, production etc.
>
> Now add all that up and calculate true cost per unit of
> electricity.
>
> When do you want your solar thermal plant delivered?
>
>
>         Russell

Rustle, I am disappointed.  Where are the hard figures ( or at least  
good estimates ) that I know you love to provide ?  I do not think  
you have made your case without them.  Greenfielding is generally  
only a problem when people are trying to hide something and then get  
caught and have to fix it.  This is generally done big time by  
governments.

CC
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