I'm looking for a production-quality programmer which will work with an ATtiny13. I will be using the ATtiny13 in a product where I'll need to program something like 50 per month. On the PIC side I'm now using EmbedInc (Olin's) PROPROG programmer, and would like to find something similar for the AVR's. What I particularly like about the PROPROG is the ability to set it up such that I can insert a chip in a ZIF socket, push a button, and then have the programmer automatically program the device, including all of the fuses - and then provide a indicator as to whether the device passed or failed verify. I have found a couple which look interesting, but either don't seem to support High Voltage programming, which is needed in my case (I need to be able to turn off reset and would prefer to disable low voltage programming), or require manual work on the PC each time. I wouldn't be opposed to a universal programmer which would do AVR ATTiny processors and others (such as PIC) as well. Ideas? -forrest -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist