The train rides I've loved fall into two different groups: A) hobby / historic trains. These are typically live steam, restored and run for tourist money. My absolute favorite of those is the Old Poway Midland Railroad and their little Baldwin steamer which is about 30 min from my house. http://techref.massmind.org/techref/member/JMN-EFP-786/powaymidlandrr.htm http://www.powaymidlandrr.org These are not practical to run nor ecological at all. Perhaps the largest of them could be converted to run with a small nuke plant on board... ;) The joy of those rides is from knowing the level of technology that was available and seeing how much work my forefathers got done with what they had. I'm proud of those trains. ___ Glenbrook Steam Festival 2007 More steam thingys than you can shake a stick at. 1901 White Steamer - operational. 1931 Bugatti Type 54 Grand Prix (only steams when overheated) Morgan V-twin Matchless (When it steams you are in REAL trouble) Stirling Engine models Much much much more. Traction engines, chaff cutters, Pantechnicons, ... 1400 photos http://public.fotki.com/russellmc/events/festival/glenbrook2007/ Russell -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist