On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Pat O'Toole wrote: > I only use this device for new blank ic's now...I load my custom bootloader.. > then I can program it with just a rs-232 link---so hopefully my warp will last a long time! If you are willing to fork out US$35 for Microchip PICkit 2, you can put the Warp 13 in the shelf. You do not need to worry about the firmware/software updates. You also get top notch support from the developer himself. PICkit 2 has become the most popular Microchip programmer judging from the thread in Microchip forum. http://forum.microchip.com/tt.aspx?forumid=15 Xiaofan -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist