Not where I commute in the US Wouter !! :D How the heck people don't see a big SUV with its headlights on beside them - I don't know. I was going to get a motorbike and reduce my carbon footprint... but these morons make it more life threatening than sensible! Back on topic... I'm don't know what capacity the US has for renewable, storable generation (About the only type I know of is hydroelectric - maybe geothermal) ... but to me it just plain makes sense to use all the renewables you can - wind, etc and only use the fossil fuel when necessary. I can see this working in NZ due to smaller population, good geothermal and hydroelectric resources, and a decent amount of wind. When we get down to it though - for every $1 spent on efficiency, you save about $4-5 in generation costs from all the information I've read. Eoin. (Trying to scrape enough money/time together to put in solar collectors on my house) >>> wouter@voti.nl 26 Feb 08 16:46:29 >>> [now on a much lower level of seriousness] > If you drive, you bet the driver next to you will not die > in their sleep in the next 10 seconds. I think that scentence needs rewording. Wouter van Ooijen -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist