>I give up. What can I do for fun now ? You are saying no more >crawling under a swaying SUV that is balanced on some river boulders ? Please don't. I had occasion to be first on the scene when a friend decided to change the handbrake cable in his car. Had the rear wheel off, with the car supported on a bottle jack on a gravel surface that sloped. His heaving on the cable to pull the old one out caused the inevitable topple of the jack, and the leaf spring caught him right across the jawbone. He had his jaw wired up for a number of weeks. He was lucky I had wandered off somewhere and was coming back at the critical time, as there was a distinct possibility that no-one would have realised what had happened. It still amazes me how few people are needed to lift a car when the adrenalin kicks in. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist