I agree with you totally , Derward. I am 56 years old. I would not brag about my behaviour as a callow youth. As I approached my 40's and was tested again and again , I found my way to the truth. What I mean by that is not that I know all the facts of every situation and evaluate on that basis ; What I mean is that of the facts that I have been able to verify , I am largely immune to distorting them because of desire to avoid pain or embarrassment or some manner of quickie gain. I have whittled my philosophical axioms down to a precious few. If I were in political office, I would not lie ; That is why I will never be in political office. I understand that asking for favors from people in the government puts pressure on them to become liars. That is why I do not ask the government for any favors. If I fantastically woke up as president of the U.S. , I would do as much damage as I could quickly and then get out of foggy bottom on the next camel train. Because otherwise, I would succumb and be like all the others. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely and imagined power causes imaginative corruption. I am prepared..... to find out today......, that I am a horse's ass and that I have to toss out all my fine theories and start over. It will have to be a compelling reasoned argument by someone for that to happen. As for a general moral awakening in our culture....... I am not holding my breath for that one. CC On Feb 22, 2008, at 8:41 PM, Derward wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cedric Chang" To: "Microcontroller discussion list - Public." Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [EE]:: USA 193 - coming to an Aegis Cruiser near you soon > http://video.newsmax.com/?assetId=V1788553 > > The government lies so often about so many things, I doubt there is > is even a consensus privately between government muckity mucks about > why they shot the missile down. "because we can" is probably the > most shared thought. Cedric, I am 76 years old and in these years I have observed. That the Government is nothing but people. So it is people who tell lies. I have seen people who get in a political office and then against all I believed they would they also start to lie. What I notice is the everyday people like you and me start putting pressure on them for favors and they soon have go start telling lies to cover-up their actions. The same thing happens when people in big business put the same kind of pressure on them, they have to lie to cover up. What this leads me to conclude is that the chances are good if you or I were elected that you and/or I would after time slip on the slippery slope and be like all the others. This does not make it right but it is the good citizens that are behind most of the problems. What we need is a general moral awaking in our country so every one will support the truth. Derward Myrick KD5WWI -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist