Hi, Just in case you find it useful, I found this very small USB-RS232 device cheap and convenient for lab use, debug etc. http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=2119 If you only need RS232 connectivity to trace messages for debug and don't want to embed a FTTI chip in your circuit or use a bulky max232+capacitors, this saves you to have to convert the circuit to RS232 levels to interact with the PC, as it uses TTL signal level. It uses a prolific chip that has drivers for most windows platforms, it worked fine in WinXP to me for some time. Only limitation I found is it has only a pin for in/out. By default it works as out (from your micro point of view) so it is easy for debug and see messages in your PC but not as easy to send commands back from your PC to the micro. I hacked it to get the pins directly from the prolific chip so I get a TLL RX/TX separated pins, but I wonder if there is no such device available for lab use for a price like this with both RX/TX. Does anyone know other option? Only options I see here and there are true USB-RS232 modules, but no-one as cheap as this one for TTL. -- Ariel Rocholl Madrid, Spain -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist