On Feb 9, 2008, at 11:21 AM, David VanHorn wrote: Similar, but IMHO hairier http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Transat_Flight_236 The Transat flight crew did not check for a fuel leak ? That seems really dumb. I cannot believe they have so much going on while flying that they cannot watch their fuel gauges ( tell me they do not have fuel gauges ! ). This flight and the Gimli glider seem to me to be examples of rogue wave phenomena. Unpredictably ( and I stress the word "unpredictably" , human errors add harmonically to cause really stupid incidents. You can only hope some smart person is on the scene to unravel the mess. In both these cases, some of the perpetrators were able to be "smart" enough to avoid total disaster. Cedric -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist