Xiaofan Chen wrote: > I agree with Adam. I just do not know why people in this > list (mostly not average home users). My wife is > an average user and she is happy with Vista now. That's EXACTLY why... ;) Run just simple stuff, or "Vista approved" stuff, don't dig too far, trust Microsoft, and you will be happy. However, those on the list also expect it to be (as it should be) a Win32 system. It should be backwards compatible, we have work to do and have numerous apps that do our tasks and expect the next incarnation of the Win32 type OS to work with it. These are apps made to use Microsoft's win32 architecture and API. They should work. Use just a few basic apps, like the stuff that ships with it, and you won't notice. I suspect she also doesn't much care about firewalls, assorted odd services, etc, that run, as well as any and all auto-updating from Microsoft or such. However, those of us that have apps that may break after some errant update by Microsoft choose to read what they apply to and pick what we need. We may not trust the firewall, etc. I get settings that go back to original all the time. If I just accept the defaults on everything, then I guess life would be fine, but that's not what I've come to expect, and the defaults are not appropriate for me. So, a lot of wasted time and frustration, just at that level. Throw in the slow file copies to anywhere (MS admits it), the firewall deficiencies, the services incompatibilities, the numerous services that do phone home all the time, the odd API breakages, UAC and having to wrestle ownership of files all the time, junction points that recurse forever... the list goes on... Is it stable? Perhaps, although IE7 has 'unexpectedly terminated' many times so far on a vanilla Vista system. Other apps do off and on too. It recovers fine, maybe better than XP might have for whatever it didn't like, but the session is still lost (multiple tabs). Life isn't perfect even with the apps it ships with... -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist