You forgot new users... I've been helping some 'older' folks learn windows and even under XP it is frustrating, but at least consistent. With Vista's ever-self-changing settings, combined with the users' memory, it would be impossible! Vista's interaction with the user is like a teenager with an attitude.... M. Adam Davis wrote: > > There are three groups of people where Vista is concerned: -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist