> so unless you can keep the warming and the cooling > apart you get nowhere. Well, if you read the articles and documents linked to, and watch the video, you'll see there's no mention at all of anything cooling Given the claim that it will boil water in a few seconds you might expect something to get frosted if it's drawing the heat from the surroundings that quickly. If the COP of 20 is to be believed, the electrical power used is acting almost as a catalyst or vector for transferring "free" energy from "somewhere" to the water -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist