I run all 3 and wholeheartedly agree. The problem is, the best approach would have been to offer add-in commands/features to address the needs of various market groups (like policy enforcement, etc for IT) since one will never suit all. HOWEVER, a few added tools/functions doesn't bring in the revenue like churning the users does with something they can sell as 'all new'. We don't need the churn, they do, but we pay for it - in cash one way or another and in time spent trying to get back to making it work. If you just use MS Office, or just got your first PC, you may never know it, but try to do anything more complex or really use the machine as a 'system' and you'll pull your hair out! You can back some things out of it - mostly user interface junk, but things like services talking to the user is a hard, cold stop that MS said they won't relent on. Bob Axtell wrote: > Xiaofan Chen wrote: > Not from where I look at it. I was offered a Vista laptop. I refused it > after examining > another one closely for a few days. > "overtake"? in what way? capabilities? what? > XP was not supposed to be an improvement over Win98, it was supposed to be > an improvement over Win2K. It most certainly was NOT. > > Win2K remains the pinnacle of Microsoft capabilities. Before and after Win2K > is simply downhill. > > --Bob A > -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist