Vista IS insanity! It keeps 30 odd system logs, rather than the old 4, settings revert on their own, it's so secure the owner can't do things (design target is for IT departments to keep their users in a herd), it's too complex to manage for any IT department I've ever seen, and has recursive mount points built in that will break any copy or backup program you've got... Services can't talk to the user anymore, so a lot of neat utilities (like one of my favorites that monitors a directory and runs a program on a file change event) won't work. The firewall is half decent, but why they chose not to ever alert to any outbound events I'll never figure out... Even if you want it to! One of it's ONLY good points is that compatibility mode for older programs seems to be much better. I had a win 95 management program that xp would mangle on the screen. It runs just like the days of old now... My windows dir alone - no installs, no updates yet, 10GB! Apptech wrote: > A friend asked me to download Vista drivers for an HP C4180 > printer for them as the download would have taken far too > long on their connection.. > > > Basic drivers 35 MB > Full drivers 167 MB. > > Maybe some apps as well in the full package. But, > Insanity. > > > > Russell > -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist