I've been using AP circuits for a long time for my one-off protos, and will continue to do so for my actual product prototypes since their basic prototype service is perfect for my needs - quick turn, reasonably low cost, and who cares about silkscreen for the protos anyways? The Advanced circuits Barebonespcb.com service is similar as well... The problem is that I fairly often will run into a situation where AP circuits (or the Advanced Circuits equivalent) service is "too good" for my needs - I don't need next-business-day turns, and I really don't need the accuracy that these services offer. Sometimes I only need one sided. These are typically for internal use here - for example to build a piece of "automated test equipment" to test various products we're building. Today I'm just building these circuits on a perfboard since is significantly less expensive, but would like to move to some sort of PCB. But I'm not really interested in etching them myself. So, my question is whether or not there's a shop out there which builds adequate quality "hobbyist" boards for dirt cheap. I'm thinking someone using a LPKF machine or older PCB equipment which has long since paid for itself .... I do want someone who will take gerbers, so ExpressPCB isn't really an option for me... Ideas? -forrest -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist