That 89 Bronco, nothing like an adrenalin rush with 5.8L HO (high 
output) at full throttle in low range at 50 MPH, hitting a 5 foot high 
snow drift, snow flying everywhere. Better have the driver's side window 
rolled down and watching the side of the road, because a lot of that 
snow is going to end up on the hood (bonnet) in front of the windshield.:)

Apptech wrote:
>> And yes the ABS is great on turns, but not the answer.Was 
>> just the other
>> day with 2002 Cougar, front wheel drive, big engine, ABS 
>> and traction
>> control,
>>     
>
> A man here has a Lamborghini for sale on the local auction 
> site.
> Then it turned up in multiple photos in the main city paper, 
> and disappeared from auction site.
>
> In the paper it was notched beautifully onto a power pole 
> with bits of Lambo strewn far and wide
> As may be seen here.
>
>         http://zoltuger.orcon.net.nz/lambo/gotcha/-post
>
> An "explanation" of how a presumably competent driver can 
> wrap a $NZ450,000 car around a suburban power pole is given 
> here
>
>         http://zoltuger.orcon.net.nz/lambo/newspaper.jpg
>
> They say that the traction control was off and that a rear 
> wheel skid as the car turned right was picked up by the 
> computer sending power to the front wheels as the driver 
> corrected by turning to the left, as one does. Needless to 
> say, anyone who attempts to drift a Lamborghini through a 
> city T intersection under significant power really should 
> know his (her) car and does really deserve the outcome if 
> they haven't done their homework.
>
> They quote Michael Schumaker on traction control in 
> supercars. "If you have the skills of a Formula One driver, 
> turn it off. If you don't, don't."
> _____________
>
> My ye olde Mk1 Supercharged MR2 has none of these things.
> There is a local corner - right hand, off camber, BIG bump 
> in the middle, around a wee traffic island, gutter protrudes 
> into apex. I used to delight in throwing lesser cars into 
> this corner at the legal speed limit (50 kph). Kabump 
> kathump hop skitter,  crabs sideways claws for traction 
> maybe drifts a bit under under steers, throttle on, here 
> comes the curb, cmon bite now or, ah - kathump, turns right 
> and claws its way up the street past the island.
> I had to give it up with the MR2 - it just goes round the 
> corner, shakes its head a bity and proceeds up the hill. To 
> make it exciting I'd have to throw it into the corner at far 
> far far greater speeds. I try to not exceed speed limits - 
> not always successfully. So paradoxically, in the MR2 I 
> instead go around that corner slower :-). The MR2, though 
> traction controlless, will take "open road" bends at 2x 
> posted speed with ease and 3x with suitable care. So 
> anything posted at 50 kph+ is suitable for legal open road 
> 100 kph speeds and at 30 kph + posted you can do it while 
> making life interesting. You can take ANY right angle corner 
> at 50 kph and stay on the correct side of the road (with 
> good tyres on) if you are willing to believe it is possible. 
> Doubt tends to set in occasionally. A fun car.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>         Russell
>
>
>   
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