>> A competent authority has assessed that ABS brakes >> INCREASE stopping >> distances on gravel (metal) surfaces by typically 20+ >> percent. > Is that a surprise? No. I wrote that mainly for my son, who has recently purchased a car with ABS and was telling me how well it stopped on gravel. > I thought the point of ABS was to increase > CONTROL (steering) during heavy breaking, not so much to > decrease > stopping distance. Yes & No. ABS generally decreases stopping distances and that is a major aim, as is increased control. Optimum stopping typically occurs when the tyres are slipping at about 10 - 15% of their rolling speed. More than that and skid onset is imminent. Less than that and you could get more stopping. A really really really competent driver may be able to hold a vehicle in this region. Joe average hasn't a show. ABS allows you to do this with ease and concentrate on steering and avasion and ... . > In fact, I'm surprised that ABS *ever* decreases > stopping distance... As above. I've read that cars with ABS rates have a higher percentage of solo male fatalities than cars without. That makes sense :-) - but the reasons may not be what they first seem. eg it could be that males who drive by themselves are more likelt to buy cars with ABS brakes. Russell -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist