Missed the original message somehow...  But I've been using the Mikro-e 
stuff for prototyping with great success.   Specifically the EasyPIC4, 
and assorted add on modules.

I also use it with the ICD2 with the microchip ICD header and an adapter 
cable...   That is, plug the PIC into the header and then the header 
into the board, bypassing the onboard programmer.    That said, it also 
isn't that big of deal to use the provided programmer as well.

If you're looking for coursework around the device, this may not be the 
best, unless you are ok with having the victim use the mikro-e compilers 
at least to start - all of their samples are based around the mikro-e 
products and their own libraries.

-forrest

peter green wrote:
> Bob Axtell wrote:
>   
>> My client wants me to slowly bring up an engineering associate
>> as a PIC Programmer, since (1) all of the products I have designed
>> for the client has PICs in them, and (2) I am getting long of tooth.
>>
>> I was wondering if anybody has a recommended breadboard, easy
>> to use, to attach to an ICD2 and allow easy programming, keeping
>> my interaction to a minimum.
>>   
>>     
> How about a copy of "Embedded design with the PIC18F452 Microcontroller" 
> by John B. Peatman. The book seemed pretty reasonable when I looked at 
> it (though I already knew the 18f series by that point and it includes a 
> board that is designed to go with the book (you have to source the parts 
> and build up the board yourself though). They include a serial debugging 
> soloution but it is probablly easier to just use an ICD2 or pickit 2 
> (the board has an ICD2 style socket so if you use the pickit 2 you will 
> need an adaptor).
>
> The nice thing about this soloution is the book and board are designed 
> to go together. IMO that is very valuable to a beginner.
>
> Do you have any idea what this engineering associate's existing skillset 
> is like?
>   

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