Bob Axtell > In any case I believe the market needs a totally portable programmer that > could be connected to a product using a PIC without any grounding issues, > which is the main problem now. A production line needs this, and there > should be a huge field service angle. It would need to be battery > powered, but recharged and loaded by a USB connection. It should be > capable of RS232 operation as well, to be operated by DOS systems (some > third world manufacturing lines use a lot of DOS systems). Have you seen the "TEAclipper/PIC", a product outlined by Richard Hoptroff in his article about firmware development in the January issue of Circuit Cellar (#210)? It sounds very much like the sort of thing you're looking for here. His company is FlexiPanel , and the product is currently featured on their homepage. -- Dave Tweed -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist