>>> Needless to say, to have any chance of achieving rated >>> lifetimes LEDs need to be driven in a constant current >>> mode >>> at rated current or less. > They did a study over on candlepowerformums to check > brightness of > the "extra bright" white LEDs available on eBay (from > China), > compared to brand-name Nichia white LEDs. Some of the > imports > really were as bright as claimed, but they deteriorated > much > more quickly than the Nichias, and VERY quickly indeed > when > "overdriven" as common in flashlights (The chinese LEDs > deteriorated much more quickly when overdriven than the > Nichias.) If you look through those refs I provided you'll find a report on some BIG brand name LEDs that had very very bad lifetimes. As well as thermal and dye issues there are encapsulant performance and die wire longevity issues to consider. Standard market practice in cheap retail devices (and even in dear retail devices) is, as I said, to hard parallel LEDs. This can lead to in excess of 2:1 + current distributions - depending on how well binned the LEDs are for Vf at operating current. The products that I'm assisting with the development of initially had parallel LEDs with spreading resistors. Current was moderately well controlled but not well defined across battery lifetime. All the products will now use current driven LEDs in series strings with well defined operating current at all battery states. The manufacturer involved has consistently used a single LED supplier who is as about as "name brand" as any Asian maker (but who I'll not name here for reasons which seem good to me at present) and whose products have performed well for them. I will be doing ongoing tests of my own. Lumens per Watt are indeed "right up there" with the best available in anything like the price range. You can buy binned LEDs at very high prices that double the l/W figure. ie we are getting 50+ l/W typical figures. Cree (I think it was ) will sell you a 100 l/W LED commercially but to get this they spec it at a current which is less than its rated maximum - which will also help its lifetime. People are getting 130+ l/W in lab samples but AFAIK these have not appeared on the market in other than samples yet. For white LEDs 100% is a bit over 300 l/W (varies with chromatic spectrum due to the definition of a lumen relating to eye response) so there is quite a lot of improvement to look forwards to yet. People are getting upwards of 70% Quantum efficiency at SOME wavelengths but much poorer at others and so far this doesn't translate overall into anything really close to theoretical maximum. However, it's impressive to realise that a 100+ l/W LED requires only 2/3 the cooling of a resistor dissipating the same power. 1/3 of the cooling is done by optical radiation :-). Russell -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist