Something other than the Vista firewall might be a good idea... On mine, everything I need is handled by a few dozen rules allowing a few dozen apps out of an otherwise blocked firewall. Thunderbird is one of them. In thunderbird, I have ThunderBrowse to view web pages in emails in Thunderbird itself. After booting, all works, including checking mail on the isp, but not gmail or going to sites through Tbird. So, I stop the firewall then start it again and all is fine for the rest of the day until reboot. I even made shortcuts to "netsh.exe firewall set opmode enable" and disable to do it quickly. I'd be interested in insights on why it started this... It wasn't always so, and no firewall changes had been made. OTOH, Vista has a lot of self-healing features it seems, and settings have sometimes reverted in other places (I checked this rule though in the FW). I've also experienced plugging in new hardware and it says a driver can't be found (for a simple usb hard drive - should be built in), then if I unplug it and replug it, it searches again and finds it! It's a very dynamic OS!!!!!!! :-( -Skip -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist