> Sorry to hear about Sir Edmund Hillary pssssst, 'ere a minute I'm English. I was rooting for Mallory in '24 But Sir Ed always maintained that, whether or not Mallory got to the top 29 years before, a successful climb includes a safe return On the radio yesterday someone suggested Richard Pearce as another ground-breaking New Zealander. It's claimed he flew before the Wright Brothers. Which may be true, but it wasn't exactly controlled flight. More, er, ground-breaking I think it's reasonable to expect the job to be completed to get bragging rights, otherwise you could just shoot someone up to Mars right now on a one-way ticket Regardless, Sir Ed was a great and unpretentious humanitarian (the only living person on a bank note) and his passing is big news -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist