> But what he is offering is not that. Russell, did you see a recent 60 Minutes / Sunday / 20/20 ? One item was about a trans-Australia challenge. Mainly, and generally for, solar- powered vehicles But did include your old "friend" Steve Ryan. He of the "hydrogenated water" claim. You remember. The word "charlatan" was bandied about at the time http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0711/S00017.htm "Breaking Scientific tradition is not unfamiliar to Steve Ryan and Bios Fuel. In 2005 60 minutes featured him running a standard 350cc motorbike on 100% water using a process to entrain Hydrogen within the water, without the use of power" In the recent item, as far as the scrutineers were concerned, the fuel was what they were told it was. 40% water, 60% waste mineral oil BTW, if that bimbo Nicki Watson is to be believed, there's a ready source of non-potable water in the South Island. I saw the last 5 minutes of her calendar shoot, and she claimed that the waters around some glacier were "over 90% pure". Wow. That's cleaner than the s*** we get out of the tap ;-) Not. She's no rocket surgeon, that's for sure -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist