Russell, Yeah...but knowing what should be, and believing it are 2 very different things....hence, my personal model of the univese is CHAOS. It seems to hold very well in theories of nature, social systems, political results and everything else. If CHAOS rules the world, there is no need for a GOD. Mike ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist