Xiaofan wrote: > I think Australia now produces quite good wine as well. But perhaps > continental Europe still is the best. Being Australian I'm biased (although I'll admit that New Zealand produces some particularly nice whites) - I have to say that I've generally preferred the better Australian wines, especially the reds, to most European wines I've tried (an admittedly small sample). Partly that's just because it's what I'm used to, but it also reflects Australian pragmatism versus European tradition. Instead of insisting that a particular wine must come from a particular hillside, Australia was prepared to blend wines (in modern stainless steel vats...) from a range of sources to target specific tastes. The result is not "pure", but tastes good... > Xiaofan (who does not drink to drink beer and seldom > drink wine) That's typical for Chinese people, though. I find when I visit Shanghai that the locals are only happy in bars when they're singing, not caring much for wine and beer, while the "western" bars are full of imported wines and beers. Forgive me, but "Great Wall" wine is terrible... There's just no tradition of (grape) wine in China (nor beer). It's quite an odd feeling to go and visit Shanghai, and find the wine menus consisting of French, Chilean and familiar Australian wines... David Meiklejohn www.gooligum.com.au -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist