On Dec 9, 2007, at 12:56 PM, Morgan Olsson wrote: > Largest win is so build a civilisaiton that is not wasteful, > and that use both power and materials wisely. Too late, unless you've got a "viable" solution for achieving negative population growth. The scary part is the developing world, where we're looking at "you can't afford this, shouldn't do that, and must not do the other thing because of security issues." (Scary news on the radio the other day about pools of crude oil sludge dotting the rain forest in Ecuador, for instance.) BillW -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist