I just posted another OT message to this list and am feeling a little bad about it. Some months ago, there was a discussion here about the number of off-topic postings and how they were overtaking the primary purpose of this very good list which is to provide a forum for the discussion of the Microchip line of PIC's and how to program and use them. I have been as bad as many about OT postings to this list so am wondering if there are other general electronics discussion lists that are known for intelligent civil discussion as this list is. That is the key. There are tons of electronics discussion lists on Usenet and over email and some become buried in spam and infantile flame wars between people and factions that are totally of no interest to many of us. This is a good list and I would hate to see it fade away, etc. Thanks for any suggestions. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Network Operations Group -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist