The problem with VW warranty, and I agree they are great for that, is that it runs out. Sustainability depends on driving every last bit of function out of a car before it gets replaced. At 46 and after seeing more than my share of wrecks, I'm pretty much over the desire to enjoy driving... and when it pops up, I go to K1 speed and drive kick ass little electric go karts that accelerate fast enough to knock my head back. But, ermm... I have to agree: my Camry is a pig. -- James. -----Original Message----- From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu [mailto:piclist-bounces@mit.edu] On Behalf Of Nate Duehr Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 13:53 To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. Subject: Re: [OT] Car purchase James, I really enjoyed your analysis. I think where it falls apart for me is in two places, and they're in the "fuzzy" stuff around the raw numbers analysis. 1) The VW's may have some minor "reliability" problems, but they also have an enormous warranty. If a problem doesn't make the car un-driveable, there's something to be said for just dropping it off, getting a free loaner, and having it fixed in a day or so. My wife's VW has experienced four minor issues, and all have either been under warranty or turned into a recall. They're serious about fixing the problems. 2) Driving enjoyment factor -- how to put a number on it? I know we're all engineering/techies here and want to quantify everything, but there's something to be said for driving a vehicle that handles like it's on rails, can drag me uphill on I-70 westbound out of Denver (above 6000' MSL) without losing any significant power (turbo-charged) and generally is big enough for a big guy to be comfortable in. Prius's are great, but uncomfortable (for me anyway), and the Toyota Camry over-steers like an ocean liner and generally rides like it's on marshmallows. So -- how much one ENJOYs the operating the vehicle also factors in here somehow. Not sure how best to quantify it. It also factors into how well someone will take care of the vehicle, etc. If you like the car, sometimes the numbers don't matter. (GRIN) Nate -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist