> ...Well, last week: AMD 1700 (some 4yrs old), 256MB RAM, > Windows 2000. > Some 30minutes formatting (this was speeded up in XP); > some 30 minutes > installing; go downloading Updates (80MB IIRC) but just 2 > reboots; > install drivers from CD (some 5 minutes, and just one > update - I NEVER > trust the "reboot now" thing and usually the PC is kind > with me :-) > One more maybe for antivirus. > 6-7 reboot in total. some 2 full hours working hard :) While away in China for 2 weeks recently I reinstalled XP home about (lost count for certain) 6 times over a number of days in order to try to eliminate an especially pernicious and crippling trojan from the system. I contracted the trojan from a Chinese site while trying to locate drivers for my client's PC. His had been (apparently) trashed by logging into a wireless network in Seoul airport - a known bug causes some files to be replaced so that subsequently ... . He and the hotel IT man then managed to totally trash the system to the wouldn't-boot stage. So, I got his going but killed mine. Trojan was logogogo.exe. Hard to find details and it seemed to hide well outside the windows area proper and even several complete new windows installs in new directories failed to kill it. Ran OK for a while and then popped up again. Tended to kill net access making redress hard. Also attempted net access of its own after various periods of time. Reformatting was not an option. Taught me things about security level needed for foreign country hotel internet operation. 6 installs takes a lot of user interventions alas. My body also contracted a virus of its own so I was not feeling too good at nights. So I put laptop on the bed by me and slept on top of bed. Occasionally I'd wake up and check laptop for next "user intervention" then go back to sleep. Not the ideal way to sleep or to install Win-doze [tm] but it finally worked OK :-). (Fortunately long experience/abuse of my sleeping systems means that I now drop into REM sleep almost instantly so a summation of small sleeps is almost as effective as a long sleep, but not as satisfying). At one stage I tried to buy a floppy diskette to allow me to do a clean boot (make disk on clients PC was the theory) to allow me to remove a file which was otherwise always locked by the system. NOBODY knew what a floppy disk was despite many pictures and much pantomime. Even if they had been able to speak more than zero English I don't think it would have helped. One lady did very well in offering me a device which indeed looked VERY like a floppy diskette in shape and size but which was a 100 MB "optical RAM" cartridge. The HP laptop I had with me (bought in desperation in Vienna 4 years ago) has a floppy drive AND a serial port AND a parallel port. These were somewhat unusual even then and about all modern laptops have none of these. Russell -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist