This one will end up with 50, 10 and 22 meg resistors from VCCC, and 33k between the cap and neon. Without the extra resistor, I was able to probe the current and watch the lamp degrade over about an hour very significantly. With the resistor, the current remains stable for many weeks. Interesting. I didn't expect to learn anything on this project, but I did. :) -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist