I just had to add my two cents to this six-weeks-ago thread that I just came across. I, too, built one of these "idiot boxes" whilst in junior high school (late '60s). I used NE-51's and it was powered from a (technically) "dead" 200 volt photoflash battery. It ran for a year or two before I had to get another battery. I probably ran it until I went to college, and I can't be certain I didn't have it there as well. I keep hoping I will find it in the garage someday, since I never throw anything away. Each lamp used a single resistor in the classic fashion. I never had to replace a lamp. Probable reason being that "200 volts always wins". The number of lights was attributable to the number of junk TV sets I was able to locate. Each chassis in the high voltage section would yield up one each 10 or 22 meg resistor, and a .1 at 400 volt mylar cap. Then I could add another light to the box. I ended up with 13 lights. Barry -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist