> Don't you mean they are also useful for transfering the > energy of a > minor bump into the frame Frame ... ?? Bzzzt. Does not compute. Term missing from glossary. Please re-enter. > (past the bumper's crumple/crush zone) where > the damage will be invisible and not affect the handling enough to matter in many cases thereby allowing max market resale value at minimum expense when it is flicked on after a year or two. I owned a Honda City which my son, through no fault of his own, had shortened while waiting in a queue of traffic. Handled amazingly well - every bit as good or better at ear-oling through corners as it ever had been and far bettr than most would credit to such a utilitarian beast. Only cm's shorter than it had been. Only the drivers door would open. Others overlapped to varying extents. Back was broken inside rear so the rear boot floor sloped alarmingly. He wrote off 3 of my cars and only one was solidly attributable to him (according to the Police) but even that was in doubt. Note - when the con rods slap on the bore you should have stopped already ;-). Russell R -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist