Hi Mike, Between that Prius Crap and the Yaris, I would prefer the Yaris. I can almost get the same economy on fuel from my VW Passat TDI as you can out of that rubbish that is the Prius, and I do not have batteries to dispose off. In my opinion the Prius is not an environmentally friendly car at all is just a marketing gimmick, and looking at it from an energy waste to produce it I am sure it will be more than the Yaris. Best regards Luis -----Original Message----- From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu [mailto:piclist-bounces@mit.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Hord Sent: 27 November 2007 18:03 To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. Subject: [OT] Car purchase James, I already know what you'll say. My fiance and I are looking at buying a car. We both drive sub-optimal autos (2003 Jetta GLI for me, 2005 Chevy Malibu for her) and we want to can them both. I bus it to work everyday day, and she drives 5 miles across town. We rarely take trips longer than 10 miles. She owes more on her car than it's worth, but mine is paid off. We want both a fiscal and environmental sustainability upgrade here- meaning we want to pay less for gas and car payment and insurance, AND we don't want to be contributing to the worsening environmental situation. We also don't want to be stuck with a car that's going to require huge repair bills annually. We're leaning towards a new or slightly used Prius or a new Yaris. I hate the idea of a new car because new cars are part of the problem- building a car takes a lot of energy. OTOH, if we keep the car for ten years, it makes sense to get a new one. At any rate, someone on this list has a resource that they can point me to that will help me gauge the relative impact of these choices. I'm totally lost. Greenercars.org seems good to me, but they completely ignore the used car option.... Mike H. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist