It's a pretty simple idea and interface, one example is here: http://fly.cc.fer.hr/~mozgic/UIR/ Take one unused control line of the RS-232 port, put a regulator on it, and use it for power. Use the software on the RS-232 device to set the line to a high (+12) state (which is usually low, space, 0 as far as the data is concerned). There isn't much current available per line (in theory there's a lot, in practice there's little) so a lot of designs use diodes to combine more than one line, and many designs use a low dropout regulator so they can still get 5V from a droopy serial port. Also it's important to note that many new RS-232 devices only support 5V or even 3.3V output (many laptops have this issue) which can in theory still meet the RS-232 standard, but you may have more problems getting the power you need form them. For a one-off project, it's an excellent use. For a production product, not so much. But then, a production product would probably fare better as a USB device anyway. -Adam On 11/16/07, Peter Feucht wrote: > Dear Piccers, > > I remember, that a long time ago I saw an application note for a > RS232-to-PIC(5V) interface which worked without any external power supply, > but it took the needed voltages from some pins of the serial port. It had > just a RS232 9 pole Dsub and 3 Pins (Rx,Tx,GND) on the PIC side. > > I just googled but wasn't successful. > > Does anybody remember such an application? > > Thanks for any help and best regards > > Peter > > > -- > http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Moving in southeast Michigan? Buy my house: http://ubasics.com/house/ Interested in electronics? Check out the projects at http://ubasics.com Building your own house? Check out http://ubasics.com/home/ -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist