On 11/5/07, William Chops Westfield wrote: > > On Nov 4, 2007, at 6:28 PM, Martin Klingensmith wrote: > > > I suspect it's more like "experienced engineers cost money > > and the managers don't want to spend the money.." what do you think? > > Sure, there's some of that. Combine with "experience in engineering > doesn't pay that well" ("experienced" engineers tend to go into > management, eh? Or sales, marketing, ... anything but engineering.) I find this very true here in Singapore. Less true in US and Europe. At least many of my counterparts in Cleveland worked for 15+, 25+ or even 30 years as engineers for the same company. In my previous job, it is the same for engineers in Germany. > That said, there probably aren't enough "cheap, unexperienced > engineers", either. You look at the things that companies want > to do, and a lot of them don't take a lot of "experience." And > yet they can't find people capable of doing it... > Sometime I feel the US public listed companies are too eager to maximize shareholder value and less willing to train the engineers. A fresh engineering graduate needs to be employed as an engineer in the first place to gain some experiences. My experience may not really count since I only worked for a privately held Gemmany company and now a US public listed company. However I've heard similar comments from other friends working for US public listed companies. They are quite agressive and often pushing the schedule (time to market) too much. Often the US companies produce good product with very good features but I think the reliability and robustness of the design are in general not good compared to those from Germany (or other parts of EU) and Japan. Xiaofan -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist