Grrrrrrr....nevermind....bit me again power up timer has to be disabled.... makes me wonder tho...sometimes it works fine in debug...other times crashed. but none the less, PICKIT2 is working as the debugger. alan smith wrote: OK, so I downloaded 7.62, installed and it works fine. Finds the PICKIT2 and I can program using it but it gives me an error for debug PK2Error0028: Unable to enter debug mode Anyone know what this means? The target is 18F4525, debugger runs fine in the ICD2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist