OK, so I downloaded 7.62, installed and it works fine. Finds the PICKIT2 and I can program using it but it gives me an error for debug PK2Error0028: Unable to enter debug mode Anyone know what this means? The target is 18F4525, debugger runs fine in the ICD2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist