Haven't had much success with outsourcing, although we may try it again in
the future. Also, especially for a small company, I believe it's vital to
keep the expertise in-house. I know many companies have become very
dependent on consultants, and I believe it is hurting them. It seems to me
that the consultant's primary responsibility should be transferring relevant
knowledge to in-house engineers, rather than doing projects on an on-going
basis.

Concerning the original subject, based on the replies to this survey and
personal experience (and salary), the numbers are indeed significantly
higher than one would expect (there are exceptions of course, but I'm
talking about the median).

IMO, the data is skewed. It comes from "The Ganssle Group" which claims to
be able to "double your team's productivity", "reduce bugs", and "meet
deadlines" -- all you have to do is "take Jack's one day *Better Firmware
Faster* seminar", at a cost of $695/person. I'm guessing that to quadruple
your team's productivity, you just need to have your team attend the seminar
twice.

Anyway, my point is that Ganssle has a direct financial interest in
convincing their target audience that they're not making as much as their
peers. :)

PS Mauricio, can you please turn off "quoted-printable"? You're forcing me =

to top-post.


----- Original Message ----- =

From: "Mauricio Giovagnini" <maugiovagnini@yahoo.com.ar>
To: "Microcontroller discussion list - Public." <piclist@mit.edu>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 05:45
Subject: Re: [EE] Engineering salaries -- survey


Vitaliy escribi=F3:
> M. Adam Davis wrote in "[EE] Help writing a PIC job ad":
>
>> http://www.ganssle.com/salsurv2006.pdf
>> Chances are you're looking for 5-9 years experience, so should expect
>> to be paying around $82,000/year with variation based on cost of
>> living in your area, demand, etc.  Software engineers are paid better
>> than firmware engineers, which are paid better than hardware
>> engineers.
>>
>
> Summary (rounded off):
>
> 0-4 years of experience: $65k/year
> 5-9 years: $85k/year
> 10-14 years: $95k/year
> 15-19 years: $100k/year
> 20-24 years: $130k/year
> 25-29 years: $100k/year
> 30-34 years: $95k/year
> 35-39 years: $95k/year
>
> Question: based on your current salary, would you say that the salary
> figures given are too low, too high, or just right (+/- 5%)?
>
Based on my country salaries this is too^^ high (Argentina).
Due to this (and even with our president's policy -> willing not to pay our
debts for example) many companies have been located here: Motorola, Eds,
Intel, Nokia.  This huge companies do software.  They say that the skills of
our people are very good altough we get almost the 1/5 of what you posted
there (if not less).  But we are talking about stable jobs.  As an
independent we can get much much more.

If we add that there's a world lack of engineers (skilled or not) and that
only a few ones do software development (car industry or oil industry pays
much better salaries and you don't have to deal with complicated technical
subjects all the time) is the main reason why many companies outsource some
parts of their projects.

Although is better to have an engineer inside a company, many times
outsourcing is a choice.

:)



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Mauricio Giovagnini (Maunix)
www.maunix.com.ar
Cordoba, Arg.

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