>> TI TTL Data Book (vol 2). Cover's got some curling edges, >> but otherwise in >> good condition. Just pick up the shipping cost (~$3 for >> media mail in the >> U.S.) and it's yours. > I guess that most/all of that info is available > in the online PDF data books. As a collectors > items maybe... Yes. No definitely not. Some people still find that occasionally a "real" book serves a need better than online alternatives. It may depend on how much engineering one does. In my case I had just such a need about 3 days ago. I went and found my ?1989? National CMOS databook and spend a happy while poring over its pages. What I was doing was attempting to (entirely legitimately) reverse engineer a product developed for and owned by a client of mine. It had only one IC in it. All I had was a Protel PCB top view. No circuit diagram. No component values. No explanation. The task it did was a 'mongrel' one in that it used several RC timing filters and some analog/digital diode feedback to achieve a result which was close to what the IC designers intended, but only close. I went through the data book comparing pins used to the likely ICs. I found perhaps 20 candidates out of hundreds of 74Cxxxx and CD4xxx ICs but finally felt that it felt like a CD4017. BUT I only had the top side PCB view (and no component values). So there may have been bottom copper. And I could see no way of making a 4017 do what it must do with what was shown. So I went back to the paper book and searched again. 4017 still the best candidate. So I designed a circuit in my head as I would do it with what they had and immediately realised that the PCB had an error ! :-) - a track went to an adjacent pin from where it was intended. Obviously the PCB image was not a production one. AND: The ability to use the paper book and flick rapidly between a LARGE number of possibles, look at pinouts of several devices almost simultaneously, juggle all open pages while looking at indexes by number and function and more, would have been far harder on any sensibly conceivable pdf based system. It's not every day or even every year perhaps that one needs such books now, but they can still serve a purpose. I have a TI TTL databook as offered so I'll not be asking for this one. But I won't be giving my one away either. Russell -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist